btw, when i said the symbols are trademarked i meant the symbols _together_ are definitely trademarked. its right from the united states patent and trademark office. you can disagree with them if you want, but there is no arguing about it. like i also said, the question is if it is ok to use the symbols _by themselves_.
just like it is ok to use a green cross _by itself_ on a medkit
or a red H on a white medkit _by itself_ with no cross
but you can not use a red cross on a white medkit _together_
prolly just beating a dead horse at this tpoint, tho. im just nitpicking details. it looks like op or admins added a disclaimer note, so i guess its all good now
> Fighter19: German law applies for anyone who can affect German citizens. > Fighter19: Thus you're techincally not allowed to make this site available until you have an "legal info" page,
LOL! just let the mods know if you're a german citizen so they can ban you to make the site unavailable to you. problem sovled!
> Fighter19: If you really want to know whether the other symbols are trademarked, ask alawyer
the symbols are trademarked. you dont need to ask a lawyer to know that. the question is if it is ok to use the symbols by themselves or in a game not on the playstation. prolly need a lawyer for that, tho.
> Fighter19: zombietom, if you have no clue about trademarks, please don't talk.
it seems like I know as much as you do about trademarks. maybe you should take yor own advice. I was not saying a _copyright_ license gives you rights to use a _trademark_. I was responding to your statement:
> Fighter19: if you really want to know whether the other symbols are trademarked, ask a lawyer.
we all know trademark != copyright. but oga doesn't allow trademarks on the site either. even if the license for graphical art is not the same as license to use the trademark. still not allowed. because _oga site policy_ says so, not because the law says so.
Friday, April 3, 2020 - 12:08
> Why would the trademark discussion even be relevant if you are an approved developed about to release on the PS4?
right. it wouldnt be relevant. but approved developers arent the only people downloading these.
> Why would Sony or Xbox come over your indie game for supporting their controllers?
i mean yes you probably will never have a problem and never get in trouble. sony wont come after you for using the symbols in your playstation games, and who would use them in a game that isnt going to be on the playstation? but i think what people are saying is you _could_ use them incorrectly and get yourself in trouble.
> Here is a list of games that used these controllers prompts and released on multiple platforms including PS4,Xbox and Switch
yes a lot of games have used these buttons and didnt get in trouble, but thats not really proof that you wont ever. look i cna do that too. here is a list of games that used the red cross on a white background for their medkits
Prison Architect Halo Transformers Half life Doom Final Fantasy 15 Alien vs Predator Alien: Resurrection Aliens: Colonial Marines Alpha Prime ARMA Battlefield BlackSite Borderlands Breed Bulletstorm Call of Duty Call of Juarez Carnivores Catacomb Darkwatch Day of Defeat Delta Force Dishonored Duke Nukem Dying Light blah blah blah, I didn't even get past teh letter D for the most part. there is lots more.
just because a bunch of AAA games did something doesnt mean its allowed. that doesnt mean noone should use these. but they should think about if the way theyre using the symbols is going to piss off sony. like withthelove said, its usually no problem under fair use. but OGA cant tell mpeople its fully safe without a little disclaimer about fair use.
i think its basically settled and agreed its no problem as long as there is a small notice abou t it.
doing away with creative commons = eliminating all art on oga right now
oga isnt going to do away with cc licenses until a new site is available that does it better
make the new better licenses get them used and adopted by the game dev community __then__ oga will change
before that its just making good assets unavailalbe to people that dont have the same problem with license vs game engine
>do away with the misguided Creative Commons and get together and develop licenses geared for games.
that isnt changing oga thats getting rid of oga completely and making whole other website
no need to wait for that you can make new game licenses and host game art on a new site right now
of coarse we have no idea how to help you there is no details
if you did a all kinds of troubleshooting dont keep it a secret what did you do what are the symptoms
uploading music works fine for me
cause its better than saying "BUMP"
> These icons are not uniformly sized or uniformly separated.
huh? they are all exactly 34 x 34 pixels what isn't uniform?
:)
btw, when i said the symbols are trademarked i meant the symbols _together_ are definitely trademarked. its right from the united states patent and trademark office. you can disagree with them if you want, but there is no arguing about it. like i also said, the question is if it is ok to use the symbols _by themselves_.
just like it is ok to use a green cross _by itself_ on a medkit
or a red H on a white medkit _by itself_ with no cross
but you can not use a red cross on a white medkit _together_
prolly just beating a dead horse at this tpoint, tho. im just nitpicking details. it looks like op or admins added a disclaimer note, so i guess its all good now
> Fighter19: German law applies for anyone who can affect German citizens.
> Fighter19: Thus you're techincally not allowed to make this site available until you have an "legal info" page,
LOL! just let the mods know if you're a german citizen so they can ban you to make the site unavailable to you. problem sovled!
> Fighter19: If you really want to know whether the other symbols are trademarked, ask alawyer
the symbols are trademarked. you dont need to ask a lawyer to know that. the question is if it is ok to use the symbols by themselves or in a game not on the playstation. prolly need a lawyer for that, tho.
> Fighter19: zombietom, if you have no clue about trademarks, please don't talk.
it seems like I know as much as you do about trademarks. maybe you should take yor own advice. I was not saying a _copyright_ license gives you rights to use a _trademark_. I was responding to your statement:
> Fighter19: if you really want to know whether the other symbols are trademarked, ask a lawyer.
there is no question they _are_ trademarked. and since oga is a us based site where german laws arent enforced, here are the US based trademarks:
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=79081621&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=79252718&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=79975238&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=79089053&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=79071955&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=79081621&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=79975238&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch.
we all know trademark != copyright. but oga doesn't allow trademarks on the site either. even if the license for graphical art is not the same as license to use the trademark. still not allowed. because _oga site policy_ says so, not because the law says so.
> Why would the trademark discussion even be relevant if you are an approved developed about to release on the PS4?
right. it wouldnt be relevant. but approved developers arent the only people downloading these.
> Why would Sony or Xbox come over your indie game for supporting their controllers?
i mean yes you probably will never have a problem and never get in trouble. sony wont come after you for using the symbols in your playstation games, and who would use them in a game that isnt going to be on the playstation? but i think what people are saying is you _could_ use them incorrectly and get yourself in trouble.
> Here is a list of games that used these controllers prompts and released on multiple platforms including PS4,Xbox and Switch
yes a lot of games have used these buttons and didnt get in trouble, but thats not really proof that you wont ever. look i cna do that too. here is a list of games that used the red cross on a white background for their medkits
Prison Architect
Halo
Transformers
Half life
Doom
Final Fantasy 15
Alien vs Predator
Alien: Resurrection
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Alpha Prime
ARMA
Battlefield
BlackSite
Borderlands
Breed
Bulletstorm
Call of Duty
Call of Juarez
Carnivores
Catacomb
Darkwatch
Day of Defeat
Delta Force
Dishonored
Duke Nukem
Dying Light
blah blah blah, I didn't even get past teh letter D for the most part. there is lots more.
but all these games had to change their graphics or get sued. https://kotaku.com/video-games-arent-allowed-to-use-the-red-cross-symbol-1791265328
just because a bunch of AAA games did something doesnt mean its allowed. that doesnt mean noone should use these. but they should think about if the way theyre using the symbols is going to piss off sony. like withthelove said, its usually no problem under fair use. but OGA cant tell mpeople its fully safe without a little disclaimer about fair use.
i think its basically settled and agreed its no problem as long as there is a small notice abou t it.
OOps. withthelove gave a much better answer while i was typing. sorry.
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