socapex: telling us there is noise without explaining whether it's in the file or just during playback and whether it is also in the original/wav and not providing proof is trolling/FUD-ing again :)
What do you mean? The noise is unhearable, I can simply see it at -135dB. As I said, it could be from anything like the converter, inversing the phase, the mix engine etc. The test wasn't thoroughly scientific, but it serves enough to prove you were right (to me at least).
Of course you can easily try the test yourself, the noise is so insignificant that I conclude you are right.
OK, so after trolling this thread for so long, I've decided I wanted to actually get this clear and see if FLAC is really lossless. So I set up a little test to figure out if FLAC conversion is actually lossless.
The test: I used 44.1/24bit wav file, compressed it in the highest quality possible, and matching FLAC format (using libsndfile). Once converted I reconverted it to wav. Then, I inversed the phase of one of the files and mixed them at exactly the same volume (0dBfs). What this does is cancel absolutely everything that is the same, and leaves behind what is different (nothing if FLAC is lossless).
Conclusion: I was so wrong. It is very impressive, FLAC does a wonderful job! I think it's quite important to step down when you are wrong in life (so many times we just keep getting stubborn about ideas we had). So, use FLAC ;)
Of course there was some little noise... at less than -135 dBfs, lol ;) That can be caused by many things and is imperceptible.
Cheers and sorry for having trolled this topic based on non-scientific assumptions. I stand humbled and corrected.
I understand why you want to use it. Dont get me wrong here!
But, it is also lossy, just less. So please stop saying it is lossless, that is just not true.
People want lossless. As I can attest with my not very popular tracks. 50% of people downloaded the WAV files... Which means a game studio wants lossless...
I think FLAC at 10 is very nice. As I've stated before and as have stated many people on this thread. Don't worry about it :)
Then use it. It is a pretty good codec, but be sure to set it at the 10 quality. Because the other levels are... not lossless??? One wonders "Why are there different compression levels if its lossless".
This track is simply wonderful. You are a very generous person to share this free. I hope you get some contracts with this, it is awesome!
@Bonsaiheld All he wants is to know who and how somebody is using this. I understand and agree. I will add the same requirements to my tracks actually, because people are so greedy and don't give thanks the way they should. If this community is to live on, then artists should be credited correctly.
What do you mean? The noise is unhearable, I can simply see it at -135dB. As I said, it could be from anything like the converter, inversing the phase, the mix engine etc. The test wasn't thoroughly scientific, but it serves enough to prove you were right (to me at least).
Of course you can easily try the test yourself, the noise is so insignificant that I conclude you are right.
OK, so after trolling this thread for so long, I've decided I wanted to actually get this clear and see if FLAC is really lossless. So I set up a little test to figure out if FLAC conversion is actually lossless.
The test: I used 44.1/24bit wav file, compressed it in the highest quality possible, and matching FLAC format (using libsndfile). Once converted I reconverted it to wav. Then, I inversed the phase of one of the files and mixed them at exactly the same volume (0dBfs). What this does is cancel absolutely everything that is the same, and leaves behind what is different (nothing if FLAC is lossless).
Conclusion: I was so wrong. It is very impressive, FLAC does a wonderful job! I think it's quite important to step down when you are wrong in life (so many times we just keep getting stubborn about ideas we had). So, use FLAC ;)
Of course there was some little noise... at less than -135 dBfs, lol ;) That can be caused by many things and is imperceptible.
Cheers and sorry for having trolled this topic based on non-scientific assumptions. I stand humbled and corrected.
:)
I love this song... But not only for games, I really like the mood.
edit: On laptop speakers it feels OK, should I try it with my headphones??
WTF? You saying 24bit is unusual??? Dither is nice I agree, but its usual...
I understand why you want to use it. Dont get me wrong here!
But, it is also lossy, just less. So please stop saying it is lossless, that is just not true.
People want lossless. As I can attest with my not very popular tracks. 50% of people downloaded the WAV files... Which means a game studio wants lossless...
I think FLAC at 10 is very nice. As I've stated before and as have stated many people on this thread. Don't worry about it :)
Then use it. It is a pretty good codec, but be sure to set it at the 10 quality. Because the other levels are... not lossless??? One wonders "Why are there different compression levels if its lossless".
This track is simply wonderful. You are a very generous person to share this free. I hope you get some contracts with this, it is awesome!
@Bonsaiheld All he wants is to know who and how somebody is using this. I understand and agree. I will add the same requirements to my tracks actually, because people are so greedy and don't give thanks the way they should. If this community is to live on, then artists should be credited correctly.
Haha! Good job man, sounds so gritty!
WOW! Perfect mood, perfect track. Very impressed!
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