Wow! Let me just say thanks very much for putting so much time into this! Even if we haven't licked the problem yet, your hard work is definitely appreciated!
Also, thanks for providing such a detailed write up of your work and the issues you've encountered! Hearing that kind of detail really helps the rest of us understand the complexity of the system and gives us a greater appreciation for how much work it will take to fix.
> What would we post to the main page?
I think a post on your search work would be perfect.
Something like 'Changes to Search Feature'
Noting the addition of the title search, and the change in sort criteria and min word index count. Maybe along with a summary of the other things you've tried or tinkered with. Really you could mostly just cut and paste from your posts in this thread.
That would:
a) let the community as whole know about your changes
b) let folks know there are issues with search
c) let folks know that the admins are aware of the search issue
d) let folks know the search problem is being actively worked on
I think that sort of update, even if it doesn't announce any concrete fixes or radical new features is exactly the sort of communication that's missing right now.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 - 17:37
:)
I don't know about way, way, WAY better, but I'm glad you found it at least useful!
Here's a really rough draft trying to apply similar shading as clint's tin can to Robo's head. The top is pretty much unfinished, and I don't know that I got the size of the highlights/etc. right. So basicaly it doesn't look very good, but hopefully it at least demonstrates the idea.
Something else to consider, the light currently comes from the upper left, but the character is facing the right. This means most of his face is in shadow. Might make more sense to flip the light to the upper right so the front of Robo's face is the lit up part.
I think the thing to notice is that in clint.bellinger's examples is that the gradient does not
move strictly from light to dark. This is true in the photos also. Not there is a small highlight, a large dark section, a stronger highlight and then another dark spot and then mid level at the edge.
My suggestion would be to make his eyes and mouth a bit bigger to fil in all that empty space. Might not be the look you are going for but worth a try.
Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 11:36
Well, we've had comfirmation that bart is ok which is great to hear, and it does sound like there are a few other admins in a position to help out with development and adminsistration, which is also great to hear...
but is there really no path forward from here for getting search fixed? or getting any kind of update posted to main page?
Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 11:30
Welcome and thanks for sharing! That was a lot of stuff, very kind of you to share it all!
Fine enough? He looks AWESOME!! Great work and good luck with the game, be sure to keep us updated on it!
Sunday, July 10, 2016 - 09:43
good to hear bart was on the site recently!
Gotcha about how the new title search works.
Really surprised to hear that button is for the solar search, I thought the solar search was strictly experimental and unfinished.
Not sure where that leaves us now, is there basically no hope for getting the search fixed?
Saturday, July 9, 2016 - 11:06
Yay! Thank you!! I agree, it'd been long enough!
And I agree, from the outside, it sounds like the big red button just does a one time rebuild/update of the search index and whatever the job is that constantly updates the index with new entries is either broken or just plain not running.
The title field is interesting, why does it side step the out of date search index issue? It's nice to have because the main search doesn't seem to actually look in the title field.
Taking my own submission 'Instant Dungeon! art pack' an example:
If I search 'instant dungeon' from the home page, I get nothing.
If I put 'instant dungeon' into the 'search' field on the search art page, I get a list of unrelated submissions, including Ikaros in which I used the words 'instant dungeon' in a comment. But not the actual 'Instant Dungeon art pack' submission.
If I put 'Instant Dungeon' into the 'title' field on the search page, I get a long list of submissions with 'dungeon' in their titles, including the submission 'Instant Dungeon Art Pack'
So just out of curio, is that title search an 'or' search by default, any way to tell it to do an 'and' or 'exact' search?
@chasersgaming: Just a note, bart is typically very vocal around the site, so I think the odds of him being off quietly working on it are probably low, much more likely that he is just busy with other things.
Wow! Let me just say thanks very much for putting so much time into this! Even if we haven't licked the problem yet, your hard work is definitely appreciated!
Also, thanks for providing such a detailed write up of your work and the issues you've encountered! Hearing that kind of detail really helps the rest of us understand the complexity of the system and gives us a greater appreciation for how much work it will take to fix.
> What would we post to the main page?
I think a post on your search work would be perfect.
Something like 'Changes to Search Feature'
Noting the addition of the title search, and the change in sort criteria and min word index count. Maybe along with a summary of the other things you've tried or tinkered with. Really you could mostly just cut and paste from your posts in this thread.
That would:
a) let the community as whole know about your changes
b) let folks know there are issues with search
c) let folks know that the admins are aware of the search issue
d) let folks know the search problem is being actively worked on
I think that sort of update, even if it doesn't announce any concrete fixes or radical new features is exactly the sort of communication that's missing right now.
:)
I don't know about way, way, WAY better, but I'm glad you found it at least useful!
Here's a really rough draft trying to apply similar shading as clint's tin can to Robo's head. The top is pretty much unfinished, and I don't know that I got the size of the highlights/etc. right. So basicaly it doesn't look very good, but hopefully it at least demonstrates the idea.
Something else to consider, the light currently comes from the upper left, but the character is facing the right. This means most of his face is in shadow. Might make more sense to flip the light to the upper right so the front of Robo's face is the lit up part.
oh also, the highlights run along the length of the cylinder as opposed to forming a tight ball.
I think the thing to notice is that in clint.bellinger's examples is that the gradient does not
move strictly from light to dark. This is true in the photos also. Not there is a small highlight, a large dark section, a stronger highlight and then another dark spot and then mid level at the edge.
My suggestion would be to make his eyes and mouth a bit bigger to fil in all that empty space. Might not be the look you are going for but worth a try.
Well, we've had comfirmation that bart is ok which is great to hear, and it does sound like there are a few other admins in a position to help out with development and adminsistration, which is also great to hear...
but is there really no path forward from here for getting search fixed? or getting any kind of update posted to main page?
Welcome and thanks for sharing! That was a lot of stuff, very kind of you to share it all!
ps
love the handle! :)
Fine enough? He looks AWESOME!! Great work and good luck with the game, be sure to keep us updated on it!
good to hear bart was on the site recently!
Gotcha about how the new title search works.
Really surprised to hear that button is for the solar search, I thought the solar search was strictly experimental and unfinished.
Not sure where that leaves us now, is there basically no hope for getting the search fixed?
Yay! Thank you!! I agree, it'd been long enough!
And I agree, from the outside, it sounds like the big red button just does a one time rebuild/update of the search index and whatever the job is that constantly updates the index with new entries is either broken or just plain not running.
The title field is interesting, why does it side step the out of date search index issue? It's nice to have because the main search doesn't seem to actually look in the title field.
Taking my own submission 'Instant Dungeon! art pack' an example:
If I search 'instant dungeon' from the home page, I get nothing.
If I put 'instant dungeon' into the 'search' field on the search art page, I get a list of unrelated submissions, including Ikaros in which I used the words 'instant dungeon' in a comment. But not the actual 'Instant Dungeon art pack' submission.
If I put 'Instant Dungeon' into the 'title' field on the search page, I get a long list of submissions with 'dungeon' in their titles, including the submission 'Instant Dungeon Art Pack'
So just out of curio, is that title search an 'or' search by default, any way to tell it to do an 'and' or 'exact' search?
@chasersgaming: Just a note, bart is typically very vocal around the site, so I think the odds of him being off quietly working on it are probably low, much more likely that he is just busy with other things.
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