"what happens if I post a piece of artwork that I made and simeone takes it and NFTs it."
You will need to contact the persons that have done it an request that they takedown, then contact the website that is hostng and tell them about it. Either as an written request or DMCA.
9/10 time the websites will take them down, well some of the more popular ones anyway. But it's down to you to remain vigilant and make the case.
These NFT marletplaces run on a 'peer to peer' system, which basically means anyone can upload anything, because the uploads are not 'vetted' or moderated by anyone. Although some say they will remove if they find any infringing work, we know thats not reallt going to happen. It's a time consuming job checking everyday, every possible site for your own work. no one has the time to do it so it's of no surprise that many NFT's will find there way oin the marketplaces.
Copyright
The problem with NFT's is that a lot of people that buy them think that they own the copyright to the work. It's not so much about owning the artwork, it's about owning the NFT of the artwork. All they are doing is buying a piece of 'encryted code' that has an image attached to it somewhere, kept on record by a 'ledger' which is created and maintained by the blockchain. As medicinestrom wrote, its an 'original', the first and only one of its kind. Any others will be duplicated efforts, although original in themselves as NFT's, they are not the original, only an original of a duplicated work. Therefore not really having any value, IF the person looking to buy it understands what it is they are buying. BUT some do have certain 'license' terms if you like, and some may grant full ownership of work, but this is held in something called a 'Smart Contract'. Smart contracts are created by the development team built by the person/persons looking to create the NFT's, or collection of NFT's. Usually it's the smart contracts are more designed in a manner where when an NFT is made and someone buys it, the 'royalities' or a small percentage of the sale will actually go to the creator of the artwork,or the creator of the NFT and this happens EVERY time someone else buys the NFT. (this is why the gaming industry is pushing NFT in games, as they can allow 'community' creations in games, let them sell, and get a percentage of the reward, as well as creating colectable exclusives in game)
What makes NFT's hard to find or to even police is NFT creators are creating their own websites and having available to buy and 'mint' before they even get to the official NFT marketplaces. i some cases wont make the marketplaces, and instead just kept in community circles on places like Discord. This allows artwork to be easily taken without being seen by anyone, only seen by followers of the creator.
Should any infringing work be found, and the following the above things, the owner of the of the original work could sue the uploader of the NFT, but not only that, they could sue every buyer that has purchase the infringing NFT, and claim back all the money(if any) made from the sales, because every transaction is recorded on the blockchain ledger. This is less likely to happen, and the choice is for marketplaces to take them down as soon as possible, but because its very early days, copyright is going to need to cacth up, as for the meantime its a very grey area on many things. Copyrights and licensing is a bit messy, and coupled with the fact that the entire scene isn't regulated by anyone.
"How expensive is it to create an NFT from a piece?"
This depends,
1) If the artwork is actually being done by an artists, then its only their time and costs to create the peice. Then theres the fee's charged by the marketplaces themselves, such as 'gas' fees, which ive read is quite expensive the first time, especially when 'minting' and NFT. but then you don't have to pay for any others, or their is another fee which is a lot cheaper than the first. Other fees like 'gas' are charged to the buyer, but i guess it is dependant on the marletplaces(i havent research them all yet)
2) Artwork being created by non artists, and commissioning artists instead to create works for an NFT project. this cost is variable depending on any agreements for licensing, the work involved and the rates at which the artist charges. Plus the fee's mentioned above.
3) You just take artwork from the internet, create deriatives by modifying them using algorthmic software, and upload.
The other big cost is the environmental impact NFT's, and blockchain have on the global climate. It's no secret that most are aware of this, but theres hasn't been any concrete evidence to support it in a 'official' way as its hard to 'measure' due to different varients, such as software, and what fossil fuels are being used to power the servers for runing blockchain, and 'minting'. This is probably the biggest concern for most for why everyone is against NFT's and the blockchain architecture.
looks good. the framework here is bootstrap. assuming you have added your own code to display what you shown in the images? how would you implement that to run 'automatically' for everyone that uses the site? if you could, maybe you could add your code to the github and maybe admin could run it via the index.php file?
Is your way like running a completely different frontend that just calls everything from the OGA page? :)
The site only has a few of it's members that can give up there time to develop the site. There is a new version of the site being worked on (OGA3), however its not been an easy task, so we will need to be patient for the time being. :)
The site isn't particulary great for mobile devices, BUT it does work and is reasonably responsive. You can upload submissions, browse etc the site as you would normally, albiet with a little tweaking, like you say 'zoom in and out', but its best experienced on a desktop, i would say it was never really designed for mobile devices and when first created mobile wasn't such a big expectation, however things have some what changed these days and updating the site to accomodate for mobile is not an easy task but i'm sure it will come in time.
Front end here is not quite as straight forward either. The site uses 'Object Orientated Programming' (OOP) which, as someone who understands web development will known that everything you see on the front pages are controlled by them via the backend code. We can edit page layouts, the theme and have some control of them via the admin panel, but we don't have access to the object's code itself, which makes it very difficult to make neccessary code adjustments to add, update or modernise any of those objects, at least in my experience, and i'm not that fluent in web design. :)
Anyone looking to assist/help the site will have to have a VERY good understanding on how DRUPAL works, PHP, OOP's, Java etc.
I'm not in a position to say yes or no to your help, but if your interested then i would speak to or PM Medicinestorm about your experience level and what not and maybe go from there. :)
Oh yeah, i see what your saying. well, its a tough dilema i think, the libre-culture and open-source is a wonderful thing and has great moral values and i'm all for it of coarse and OGA is a part of that, and i suppose using something like Discord is a bit of a 'double standard' type of thing, but it is a tool that is used to connect the libre-culture communities with other communities as well, just like the IRC, only used more often, which to me is no more 'double standard' than using platforms such as Youtube, Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, which OGA has as well.(although no ones using them) :)
I can definately see your point, but maybe a co-existance can be had without anyone feeling let down, especially those from the libre communities.
Maybe others will say someting and a discussio can take place again. :)
Thanks for taking the time to set up the IRC bridge.
I think most people did move to Discord. Before Discord was linked here though there was a duscussion about the use of the IRC channel i'm sure, and i think the conclusion was that no one was using it, and those that was didn't really step up and say anything.
I did see on the Discord server that someone is working on a 'bridge' so this is good news for those that are using the IRC to connect both channels.
"A bit of a pity given the nature of this site"
I don't think its a bad thing that OGA has a Discord Channel, and i'm not sure what you mean by the nature of the site. OGA still does what it has always done since the beginning, How does linking a Discord channel change that?
Oh dear, another mess up there, whoops. Sorry, my notes were all over the place and i must of got confused with some things in the rush. :) il update the page info, and update the game when i get the chance. :) again apoligies to Mold.
if the game 'Heavy Loader' hasn't followed the rules then i would reach out to them to correct what needs to be rectified. if they haven't responded in a timely manner then you may have to disqualify them?
"what happens if I post a piece of artwork that I made and simeone takes it and NFTs it."
You will need to contact the persons that have done it an request that they takedown, then contact the website that is hostng and tell them about it. Either as an written request or DMCA.
9/10 time the websites will take them down, well some of the more popular ones anyway. But it's down to you to remain vigilant and make the case.
These NFT marletplaces run on a 'peer to peer' system, which basically means anyone can upload anything, because the uploads are not 'vetted' or moderated by anyone. Although some say they will remove if they find any infringing work, we know thats not reallt going to happen. It's a time consuming job checking everyday, every possible site for your own work. no one has the time to do it so it's of no surprise that many NFT's will find there way oin the marketplaces.
Copyright
The problem with NFT's is that a lot of people that buy them think that they own the copyright to the work. It's not so much about owning the artwork, it's about owning the NFT of the artwork. All they are doing is buying a piece of 'encryted code' that has an image attached to it somewhere, kept on record by a 'ledger' which is created and maintained by the blockchain. As medicinestrom wrote, its an 'original', the first and only one of its kind. Any others will be duplicated efforts, although original in themselves as NFT's, they are not the original, only an original of a duplicated work. Therefore not really having any value, IF the person looking to buy it understands what it is they are buying. BUT some do have certain 'license' terms if you like, and some may grant full ownership of work, but this is held in something called a 'Smart Contract'. Smart contracts are created by the development team built by the person/persons looking to create the NFT's, or collection of NFT's. Usually it's the smart contracts are more designed in a manner where when an NFT is made and someone buys it, the 'royalities' or a small percentage of the sale will actually go to the creator of the artwork,or the creator of the NFT and this happens EVERY time someone else buys the NFT. (this is why the gaming industry is pushing NFT in games, as they can allow 'community' creations in games, let them sell, and get a percentage of the reward, as well as creating colectable exclusives in game)
What makes NFT's hard to find or to even police is NFT creators are creating their own websites and having available to buy and 'mint' before they even get to the official NFT marketplaces. i some cases wont make the marketplaces, and instead just kept in community circles on places like Discord. This allows artwork to be easily taken without being seen by anyone, only seen by followers of the creator.
Should any infringing work be found, and the following the above things, the owner of the of the original work could sue the uploader of the NFT, but not only that, they could sue every buyer that has purchase the infringing NFT, and claim back all the money(if any) made from the sales, because every transaction is recorded on the blockchain ledger. This is less likely to happen, and the choice is for marketplaces to take them down as soon as possible, but because its very early days, copyright is going to need to cacth up, as for the meantime its a very grey area on many things. Copyrights and licensing is a bit messy, and coupled with the fact that the entire scene isn't regulated by anyone.
"How expensive is it to create an NFT from a piece?"
This depends,
1) If the artwork is actually being done by an artists, then its only their time and costs to create the peice. Then theres the fee's charged by the marketplaces themselves, such as 'gas' fees, which ive read is quite expensive the first time, especially when 'minting' and NFT. but then you don't have to pay for any others, or their is another fee which is a lot cheaper than the first. Other fees like 'gas' are charged to the buyer, but i guess it is dependant on the marletplaces(i havent research them all yet)
2) Artwork being created by non artists, and commissioning artists instead to create works for an NFT project. this cost is variable depending on any agreements for licensing, the work involved and the rates at which the artist charges. Plus the fee's mentioned above.
3) You just take artwork from the internet, create deriatives by modifying them using algorthmic software, and upload.
The other big cost is the environmental impact NFT's, and blockchain have on the global climate. It's no secret that most are aware of this, but theres hasn't been any concrete evidence to support it in a 'official' way as its hard to 'measure' due to different varients, such as software, and what fossil fuels are being used to power the servers for runing blockchain, and 'minting'. This is probably the biggest concern for most for why everyone is against NFT's and the blockchain architecture.
https://digiconomist.net/ethereum-energy-consumption/
https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption
in my opinion. :)
@OshDubh It's not going anywhere, there will still be a sumer jam. I'm just not hosting it anymore. The baton has been passed on. :)
if it helps here the actual pallete images i use. :)
looks good. the framework here is bootstrap. assuming you have added your own code to display what you shown in the images? how would you implement that to run 'automatically' for everyone that uses the site? if you could, maybe you could add your code to the github and maybe admin could run it via the index.php file?
Is your way like running a completely different frontend that just calls everything from the OGA page? :)
The site only has a few of it's members that can give up there time to develop the site. There is a new version of the site being worked on (OGA3), however its not been an easy task, so we will need to be patient for the time being. :)
The site isn't particulary great for mobile devices, BUT it does work and is reasonably responsive. You can upload submissions, browse etc the site as you would normally, albiet with a little tweaking, like you say 'zoom in and out', but its best experienced on a desktop, i would say it was never really designed for mobile devices and when first created mobile wasn't such a big expectation, however things have some what changed these days and updating the site to accomodate for mobile is not an easy task but i'm sure it will come in time.
Front end here is not quite as straight forward either. The site uses 'Object Orientated Programming' (OOP) which, as someone who understands web development will known that everything you see on the front pages are controlled by them via the backend code. We can edit page layouts, the theme and have some control of them via the admin panel, but we don't have access to the object's code itself, which makes it very difficult to make neccessary code adjustments to add, update or modernise any of those objects, at least in my experience, and i'm not that fluent in web design. :)
Anyone looking to assist/help the site will have to have a VERY good understanding on how DRUPAL works, PHP, OOP's, Java etc.
I'm not in a position to say yes or no to your help, but if your interested then i would speak to or PM Medicinestorm about your experience level and what not and maybe go from there. :)
this person is an arse, i reported a few of them, some got taken down, but some remain.
Oh yeah, i see what your saying. well, its a tough dilema i think, the libre-culture and open-source is a wonderful thing and has great moral values and i'm all for it of coarse and OGA is a part of that, and i suppose using something like Discord is a bit of a 'double standard' type of thing, but it is a tool that is used to connect the libre-culture communities with other communities as well, just like the IRC, only used more often, which to me is no more 'double standard' than using platforms such as Youtube, Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, which OGA has as well.(although no ones using them) :)
I can definately see your point, but maybe a co-existance can be had without anyone feeling let down, especially those from the libre communities.
Maybe others will say someting and a discussio can take place again. :)
Thanks for taking the time to set up the IRC bridge.
I think most people did move to Discord. Before Discord was linked here though there was a duscussion about the use of the IRC channel i'm sure, and i think the conclusion was that no one was using it, and those that was didn't really step up and say anything.
I did see on the Discord server that someone is working on a 'bridge' so this is good news for those that are using the IRC to connect both channels.
"A bit of a pity given the nature of this site"
I don't think its a bad thing that OGA has a Discord Channel, and i'm not sure what you mean by the nature of the site. OGA still does what it has always done since the beginning, How does linking a Discord channel change that?
Oh dear, another mess up there, whoops. Sorry, my notes were all over the place and i must of got confused with some things in the rush. :) il update the page info, and update the game when i get the chance. :) again apoligies to Mold.
if the game 'Heavy Loader' hasn't followed the rules then i would reach out to them to correct what needs to be rectified. if they haven't responded in a timely manner then you may have to disqualify them?
your right i did, my apologies to @nene, i will sort it when i get a moment. thanks for letting me know. :)
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