Okay, thank you very much for clearing this up. I interpreted that sentence completely different and therefore thought it added a restriction to the usage of the work. To me there's a difference between creators/contributors and credits. The contributors are the persons who work on the project or have contributed to the project and therefore have a connection with the project.
Credits go to the persons that, according to the license, get attributed. So if we incorporate a work that is under an open license that requires attribution the author will get listed in the Credits file and in-game. I prefer to do the same with works under a license that doesn't require any attribution.
If we now read that sentence again and interpret "everywhere else" as "everywhere not in the game" it will get a whole different meaning. ;-)
As far as I understand the situation, you have different lists of different contributor in different part of the projects. I would either merge all the lists or make sure there is a descriptive link from each of these lists to all of the other lists.
That's right, there are two different lists. Of course there's some overlap since a contributor that has created a work for meandmyshadow still gets credited in the credits.
I will link the two lists to each other as you suggested.
It might just be me, but I think it cleary means "everywhere not in the game":
" * to include my name "Ville Seppanen" in the credits list in the application/game and everywhere else where the creators/contributors are listed"
What list of authors/contributors on the wiki? The wiki contributors? Or a game contributors page on the wiki? If it's the first, the two are unrelated. If it's the second, then I guess all the credits in-game, on-website and in-filesystem should be pretty much be the same (I can only recommend linking to the in-filesystem credits page from the website, see http://trigger-rally.sourceforge.net/ for a simple solution).
The game contributors listed on the wiki. At the moment there's a difference between the credits and the list of contributors in our project. In the credits we list every art asset with the license, name of the work, attribution and a link to the license. (At least we try do to so).
The list with contributors contains anyone who puts/has put effort in the project, be it making art, levels, code or even just playtesting and giving feedback. Adding a name there will in our case suggest a connection with the project.
Thanks for your reply, so let me get this straight:
If You Distribute, or Publicly Perform the Work or any Adaptations or Collections, You must, unless a request has been made pursuant to Section 4(a), keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and provide
I assume this doesn't include a list of authors/contributors that sits on the projects wiki, since there I'm not distributing or publicy performing any work at all. While the attribution line in the readme-license.txt suggests I should.
Okay I'm willing to do that but won't that be in contradiction with this line?
You may not implicitly or explicitly assert or imply any connection with, sponsorship or endorsement by the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties, as appropriate, of You or Your use of the Work, without the separate, express prior written permission of the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties.
So the right question is: can someone use a license name specifying something different from what the license he/she used says? I guess this goes beyond my knowledge about licensing...
That's indeed a better question, but I wanted to know first if the rules defined in the attribution field count. I assume one can't change the CC license in whatever way without changing the license name. Is it by literally changing the legal code or adding additional clauses somewhere else.
By the way, if I were you, I'd respect what Osmic asked inside the readme-license.txt file (that should be his will about his work) and try to contact him to clarify.
That's what I was planning to do from the start, it just made me wonder. Anyway, thanks for your replies. :-)
Specifying rules in the attribution different from CC-BY rules doesn't mean you violate the license, but simply that you pick a different one - in that case, you would have nothing more than a conflict between the license specified in the art page and the one inside the license-readme.txt file, and you should clarify with the author (maybe sending an e-mail if he doesn't answer to your post in the art page).
Your absolutly right that since the author is the copyright owner he can't really violate the CC-BY license on his own work. And of course they can decide what to do with their work, but how should one interpreted additional rules in the attribution?
I've seen that too, not sure it should be interpreted like that. I assume that with "the manner" they mean the attribution text. If that isn't the case, meaning you can specify rules in the attribution, you can easily violate the CC, can't you? Anyway it feels a bit like some sort of SQL-injection to me. :P
This can cause all sorts of problems, take for example the rule "in the application/game and everywhere else where the creators/contributors are listed". Let's say we made a short video which contained his work. We attribute him correctly in the credits at the end of the video, his name, license, link to the license, etc... Somewhere else, where we, the creators of the video, talk about the video and make a Thanks To list, which contains the contributors, we should list him there too (according to the attribution).
Won't that violate the "(but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)"? Since listing him under "Thanks To" kind of suggests he helped out and thus kind of endorses our work.
Therefore, the author must give you some information about how he/she has to be credited (at least the name). I can't see the hidden clauses you're talking about...
I understand that the author should specify how he wants to be attributed, with his full name, artist name or something else. I was refering to the part that said "... and everywhere else where the creators/contributors are listed", this is AFAIK not required by the Creative Commons license, so you could see this as an extra restiction/clause.
It's something minor in this case, but if things like this are allowed who prevents licensor from writing their attribution like "credit me at the top of each contributors list" for example or even worse?
When checking some licensing stuff for MeAndMyShadow, we stumbled upon some work that incorparated this artwork. And the attribution wasn't so clear so we decided to fix that (include license, url, etc...).
When reading the readme-license.txt file that's inside the archive I noticed this line:
* to include my name "Ville Seppanen" in the credits list in the application/game and everywhere else where the creators/contributors are listed
And I was wondering if it is allowed to impose such a restriction when using the CC-BY 3.0 license. From what I've read the artists can specify the manner in which he wants to be attributed and not the when/where. The when and where are defined by the license itself and AFAIK that's whenever you show/publish work that contains the art asset or a devariation of that art asset. In those cases you have to attribute the artist, but in for example a list of authors on the project's wiki you don't have to.
Just want to make clear that I am not a laywer and I'm asking this to clarify the question I, and maybe others, have.
Since PagesOfAdventure uses 32x32 tiles I scaled them up using Gimp. Sadly this didn't give me the effect I wanted. But scaling the image up with Scale2X works perfectly.
What I wanted to ask is could you bookshelfes from the side instead of from the front?
Hello,
Okay, thank you very much for clearing this up. I interpreted that sentence completely different and therefore thought it added a restriction to the usage of the work. To me there's a difference between creators/contributors and credits. The contributors are the persons who work on the project or have contributed to the project and therefore have a connection with the project.
Credits go to the persons that, according to the license, get attributed. So if we incorporate a work that is under an open license that requires attribution the author will get listed in the Credits file and in-game. I prefer to do the same with works under a license that doesn't require any attribution.
If we now read that sentence again and interpret "everywhere else" as "everywhere not in the game" it will get a whole different meaning. ;-)
That's right, there are two different lists. Of course there's some overlap since a contributor that has created a work for meandmyshadow still gets credited in the credits.
I will link the two lists to each other as you suggested.
Again, thanks for your explanation. :-)
Hello qubodup,
It might just be me, but I think it cleary means "everywhere not in the game":
" * to include my name "Ville Seppanen" in the credits list in the application/game and everywhere else where the creators/contributors are listed"
The game contributors listed on the wiki. At the moment there's a difference between the credits and the list of contributors in our project. In the credits we list every art asset with the license, name of the work, attribution and a link to the license. (At least we try do to so).
The list with contributors contains anyone who puts/has put effort in the project, be it making art, levels, code or even just playtesting and giving feedback. Adding a name there will in our case suggest a connection with the project.
Hello qubodup,
Thanks for your reply, so let me get this straight:
I assume this doesn't include a list of authors/contributors that sits on the projects wiki, since there I'm not distributing or publicy performing any work at all. While the attribution line in the readme-license.txt suggests I should.
Okay I'm willing to do that but won't that be in contradiction with this line?
Hello Buch,
That's indeed a better question, but I wanted to know first if the rules defined in the attribution field count. I assume one can't change the CC license in whatever way without changing the license name. Is it by literally changing the legal code or adding additional clauses somewhere else.
That's what I was planning to do from the start, it just made me wonder. Anyway, thanks for your replies. :-)
Hello Buch,
Your absolutly right that since the author is the copyright owner he can't really violate the CC-BY license on his own work. And of course they can decide what to do with their work, but how should one interpreted additional rules in the attribution?
As an extenion/change to the chosen CC license? Doesn't that mean he changed the license and therefor may not call it Creative Commons? http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_change_the_license_terms_or_conditions.3F
To me it feels a bit weird that people can use the attribution field to add aditional restrictions, but still call it Creative Commons.
I completely agree, I'm just wondering if additional rules in the attribution fields are allowed and if so what the restrictions are.
Hello Buch,
I've seen that too, not sure it should be interpreted like that. I assume that with "the manner" they mean the attribution text. If that isn't the case, meaning you can specify rules in the attribution, you can easily violate the CC, can't you? Anyway it feels a bit like some sort of SQL-injection to me. :P
This can cause all sorts of problems, take for example the rule "in the application/game and everywhere else where the creators/contributors are listed". Let's say we made a short video which contained his work. We attribute him correctly in the credits at the end of the video, his name, license, link to the license, etc... Somewhere else, where we, the creators of the video, talk about the video and make a Thanks To list, which contains the contributors, we should list him there too (according to the attribution).
Won't that violate the "(but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)"? Since listing him under "Thanks To" kind of suggests he helped out and thus kind of endorses our work.
Hello Buch,
Thanks for your reply.
I understand that the author should specify how he wants to be attributed, with his full name, artist name or something else. I was refering to the part that said "... and everywhere else where the creators/contributors are listed", this is AFAIK not required by the Creative Commons license, so you could see this as an extra restiction/clause.
It's something minor in this case, but if things like this are allowed who prevents licensor from writing their attribution like "credit me at the top of each contributors list" for example or even worse?
When checking some licensing stuff for MeAndMyShadow, we stumbled upon some work that incorparated this artwork. And the attribution wasn't so clear so we decided to fix that (include license, url, etc...).
When reading the readme-license.txt file that's inside the archive I noticed this line:
And I was wondering if it is allowed to impose such a restriction when using the CC-BY 3.0 license. From what I've read the artists can specify the manner in which he wants to be attributed and not the when/where. The when and where are defined by the license itself and AFAIK that's whenever you show/publish work that contains the art asset or a devariation of that art asset. In those cases you have to attribute the artist, but in for example a list of authors on the project's wiki you don't have to.
Just want to make clear that I am not a laywer and I'm asking this to clarify the question I, and maybe others, have.
Hello Redshrike,
Since PagesOfAdventure uses 32x32 tiles I scaled them up using Gimp. Sadly this didn't give me the effect I wanted. But scaling the image up with Scale2X works perfectly.
What I wanted to ask is could you bookshelfes from the side instead of from the front?
Thanks in advance!
Hello Gaurav,
Thanks for pointing me, it looks usefull. But where can I find the license the art is under?
Thanks again!
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