It isn't so much about "we love commercial ventures! Yay capitalism!" The reason CC-BY-NC-* and CC-BY-ND-* licenses are not permitted here is because, despite the intent of the licenses, those provisions make it nearly impossible to legally use art in a game, commercial or not. Yes, that's right; even a non-commercial game would find it very difficult to legally use art licensed -NC.
Which leads to your next point. GPL does indeed make it difficult to make money since you have to provide the source. There are 3 reasons GPL is a better fit here than -NC though:
being technically able to steal a game and legally able to steal a game are two different things. Can people compile the game themselves without paying for it since they have the source? Probably, but that doesn't make it legal for them to do so.
It isn't really about being able to make money, or commercial ventrues. It's more about if the license allows people to use art in a game, regardless of commercial status. -NC really dosn't, but GPL does despite the open source provision. It's weird and stupid, but that's how the law works sometimes, unfortunately; the best intentions have unintended technicalities.
GPL isn't a very good license for art in the first place. It isn't intended for art at all. It's intended for code. However, there was game art being shared before Creative Commons licenses even existed. That art needed some license to allow it to be shared, so GPL was the best choice at the time. GPL is allowed here (despite not being an art license) for primarily legacy reasons. I would encourage artists NOT to use GPL for their work, but a lot of older assets were licensed GPL before we came along, and not supporting that license would mean those assets would not be preserved for future generations to enjoy. This reason doesn't exist for the -NC license.
Not a bad idea. I'm not the one who would be able to implement it, but until something like that is available I could probably "bump" submissions on a case-by-case basis. It has to be done one at a time, so I would hope it's relatively infrequent. Just let me know when a big update is happening to a submission and I'll see about making sure people see the latest and greatest stuff. :)
I don't want people to abuse this, so I'm going to insist the updates are more than minor changes. However, in your case, AndumDeluge, I'm pretty confident the submission I assume you're referring to would qualify :)
Also, if it turns out there are other ramifications to this I didn't foresee, I'll have to discontinue. Just putting that out there.
You've complained numerous times in the first 4 hours you've been on OGA, and we've done pretty well to address those complaints already. We already warn uploaders that they shouldn't upload questionable content. We warn them in multiple places. Sometimes they do anyway. Sometimes we don't have telepathic powers and don't realize right away they are questionable. However, as soon as we do realize, we correct the situation.
If you're against people uploading questionable content, why would you post a script on how to extract and use the questionable portions of a game package?
I would say "thanks for pointing out an issue with copyright" but there isn't one here. The sounds you referred to were never part of this submission.
This very package was uploaded to OGA before by a different user, but it included the questionable portions I have omitted, so it was unpublished. The original uploader refused to stop uploading questionable content, refused to admit the content was unethical, and refused to correct submissions with questionable licenses. For these reasons, he was banned. Don't act like OGA welcomes copyright infringement. When we find it, we deal with it.
@Omerolvey: are you encouraging people to use copyright-infringing works? If the sounds are not openly licensed, I won't be adding them. The questionable nature of the sound effects is the reason I never included them in the first place.
@Omerolvey: What sounds are still present from Sound Ideas Series 6000 General? Sanglorian got the infringing ones removed that Undesired pointed out. Please indicate here on this thread which ones remain.
It isn't so much about "we love commercial ventures! Yay capitalism!" The reason CC-BY-NC-* and CC-BY-ND-* licenses are not permitted here is because, despite the intent of the licenses, those provisions make it nearly impossible to legally use art in a game, commercial or not. Yes, that's right; even a non-commercial game would find it very difficult to legally use art licensed -NC.
Which leads to your next point. GPL does indeed make it difficult to make money since you have to provide the source. There are 3 reasons GPL is a better fit here than -NC though:
See also
This game looks like a lot of fun. I'm interested in those formulas and statistical graphs for balancing, too. How does that work?
Does any of Scorpio's stuff match what you're looking for? http://opengameart.org/users/skorpio
Not a bad idea. I'm not the one who would be able to implement it, but until something like that is available I could probably "bump" submissions on a case-by-case basis. It has to be done one at a time, so I would hope it's relatively infrequent. Just let me know when a big update is happening to a submission and I'll see about making sure people see the latest and greatest stuff. :)
I don't want people to abuse this, so I'm going to insist the updates are more than minor changes. However, in your case, AndumDeluge, I'm pretty confident the submission I assume you're referring to would qualify :)
Also, if it turns out there are other ramifications to this I didn't foresee, I'll have to discontinue. Just putting that out there.
You've complained numerous times in the first 4 hours you've been on OGA, and we've done pretty well to address those complaints already. We already warn uploaders that they shouldn't upload questionable content. We warn them in multiple places. Sometimes they do anyway. Sometimes we don't have telepathic powers and don't realize right away they are questionable. However, as soon as we do realize, we correct the situation.
If you're against people uploading questionable content, why would you post a script on how to extract and use the questionable portions of a game package?
I would say "thanks for pointing out an issue with copyright" but there isn't one here. The sounds you referred to were never part of this submission.
This very package was uploaded to OGA before by a different user, but it included the questionable portions I have omitted, so it was unpublished. The original uploader refused to stop uploading questionable content, refused to admit the content was unethical, and refused to correct submissions with questionable licenses. For these reasons, he was banned. Don't act like OGA welcomes copyright infringement. When we find it, we deal with it.
@Qubodup: Can you shed some light on the source and license of these sound effects? Until then, I have to mark this as having a licensing issue.
@Omerolvey: are you encouraging people to use copyright-infringing works? If the sounds are not openly licensed, I won't be adding them. The questionable nature of the sound effects is the reason I never included them in the first place.
@Omerolvey: What sounds are still present from Sound Ideas Series 6000 General? Sanglorian got the infringing ones removed that Undesired pointed out. Please indicate here on this thread which ones remain.
Why would I add them if they're infringing on copyright?
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