so there are multiple issues here that you have to navigate:
1) trademark. does the company in question have the design of the console or elements of it trademarked? playstation has a trademark registered on the triangle/circle/square/cross combo, but arguably only as a logo, not as button prompts.
2) derivative. derivative is really quite simple. when you say it's "based on" xyz, what do you mean by based on? a derivative is a work that is made from another work. if i take a picture of a gameboy and trace a fakeboy over it, my fakeboy is a derivative even if it doesnt look like it, because the image i made is derived from another image. if i draw my fakeboy out of my head, with my own memory of what a gameboy looks like, then it's not really derivative because there is nothing on which it is derived.
if you are using the name or likeness of something that someone else owns, you may be infringing on trademarks. if you are using an actual image, sound clip, video, or other piece of media then the thing you produce based on that media is a derivative work.
the price to use the ai art generators in the cloud? or the prices charged by human artists?
if human artists lose work to the robots, they will have no choice but to charge less.
i dont know if i see the cost of cloud computing increasing, but rather decreasing. bandwidth is the new silicon.
all the major art generator algorithms will work natively on your pc if you either know python or can find a frontend that does it for you. i run stable diffusion off of a laptop gpu.
you can make something similar to a gameboy, something it is obviously inspired by the gameboy, but you cant make something that is derivative of a gameboy or use trademarks
inspiration = ok
derivative = not ok unless you have the rights to the works you are making a derivative of
thats really because it is only able to imitate the robot apocolypse stories that it knows, the bulk of which are old hat.
and if real human beings dont write new robot acocalypse stories that become part of the dataset these imitation engines use, then it will never be able to write anything but what it can write now.
@eugeneloza
i have gotten good results hiring human artists on fiverr.
only issue i can see with the ai taking over artist's jobs in the long term is if someone makes an ai art algorithm that is actually creative.
what we have now is imitative, not creative. if humans stop creating new art, there will be nothing new added to the dataset, and generative ai art will have nothing new to imitate.
safe to submit to OGA as an asset? it depends on how you created the image. i am not admin or the most knowledgeable about the legalities and definition of a derivative, so take what i say here as it is: my opinion.
derivative means it is derived from something else. did you trace the original spaceman head? did you resize the spaceman head and adjust the pixels to look good at low res? in other words, did you use the actual image of the original spaceman in the actual composition of the new spaceman. if yes, than it is a derivative work.
samesies on the pattern problem. although i dont think its necessarily a problem as such.
listen to popular music throughout modern history, and it's ALL repeating patterns.
take this:
do-re-fa-la-re
do-re-fa-la-re
do-re-fa-la-re
do-do-re-la-do
first three lines are just repetition of a simplle minimelody, fourth line is a resolution of that melody ending with the same note that started the melody.
now take that same melody, mix it up a little, see if it sounds good (assuming first one sounded goood XD) and you have two patterns. repeat these two patterns to make a sort of meta-pattern X. now try to make a breakdown pattern -- a tempo change, or a another resolution pattern, call this Y.
X X Y X X
you just wrote a pop song! here is your golden record, thanks for all the fish!
1) what am i going for? A - do i want to make something in specific style or B - do i just wanna riff around and see what sounds good.
if A then proceed, if B then just do whatever i want.
2) pick a mode that fits that style.
3) come up with a hook or signature riff
4) make the rest of the song around that hook, usually i write in a verse chorus verse chorus style cuz i come from a punk band background.
as far as instruments and synths i will play around with different stuff. i use midi so i can plug in diff instruments to see how they sound.
for the variety question -- i fail at this. my music is usually pretty steady repition of what i hope is catchy hook. this comes from the punk band background i think.
under current terms i believe the content made using firefly is allowed for non-commercial uses, when i fiddled with it it applied a no commercial use watermark to my images (see the attatchment above)
i do think it is really cool that companies are paying attention to the debate and trying to do this in a way that doesn't violate anyone's rights.
i think in the future we will see more open datasets
so there are multiple issues here that you have to navigate:
1) trademark. does the company in question have the design of the console or elements of it trademarked? playstation has a trademark registered on the triangle/circle/square/cross combo, but arguably only as a logo, not as button prompts.
2) derivative. derivative is really quite simple. when you say it's "based on" xyz, what do you mean by based on? a derivative is a work that is made from another work. if i take a picture of a gameboy and trace a fakeboy over it, my fakeboy is a derivative even if it doesnt look like it, because the image i made is derived from another image. if i draw my fakeboy out of my head, with my own memory of what a gameboy looks like, then it's not really derivative because there is nothing on which it is derived.
if you are using the name or likeness of something that someone else owns, you may be infringing on trademarks. if you are using an actual image, sound clip, video, or other piece of media then the thing you produce based on that media is a derivative work.
the prices will go up on what, umplix?
the price to use the ai art generators in the cloud? or the prices charged by human artists?
if human artists lose work to the robots, they will have no choice but to charge less.
i dont know if i see the cost of cloud computing increasing, but rather decreasing. bandwidth is the new silicon.
all the major art generator algorithms will work natively on your pc if you either know python or can find a frontend that does it for you. i run stable diffusion off of a laptop gpu.
you can make something similar to a gameboy, something it is obviously inspired by the gameboy, but you cant make something that is derivative of a gameboy or use trademarks
inspiration = ok
derivative = not ok unless you have the rights to the works you are making a derivative of
@emcee flesher
thats really because it is only able to imitate the robot apocolypse stories that it knows, the bulk of which are old hat.
and if real human beings dont write new robot acocalypse stories that become part of the dataset these imitation engines use, then it will never be able to write anything but what it can write now.
@eugeneloza
i have gotten good results hiring human artists on fiverr.
only issue i can see with the ai taking over artist's jobs in the long term is if someone makes an ai art algorithm that is actually creative.
what we have now is imitative, not creative. if humans stop creating new art, there will be nothing new added to the dataset, and generative ai art will have nothing new to imitate.
safe to use in your game? most likely yes.
safe to submit to OGA as an asset? it depends on how you created the image. i am not admin or the most knowledgeable about the legalities and definition of a derivative, so take what i say here as it is: my opinion.
derivative means it is derived from something else. did you trace the original spaceman head? did you resize the spaceman head and adjust the pixels to look good at low res? in other words, did you use the actual image of the original spaceman in the actual composition of the new spaceman. if yes, than it is a derivative work.
they are probably just better than us :)
samesies on the pattern problem. although i dont think its necessarily a problem as such.
listen to popular music throughout modern history, and it's ALL repeating patterns.
take this:
do-re-fa-la-re
do-re-fa-la-re
do-re-fa-la-re
do-do-re-la-do
first three lines are just repetition of a simplle minimelody, fourth line is a resolution of that melody ending with the same note that started the melody.
now take that same melody, mix it up a little, see if it sounds good (assuming first one sounded goood XD) and you have two patterns. repeat these two patterns to make a sort of meta-pattern X. now try to make a breakdown pattern -- a tempo change, or a another resolution pattern, call this Y.
X X Y X X
you just wrote a pop song! here is your golden record, thanks for all the fish!
good discussion prompt.
so i usually go through these steps:
1) what am i going for? A - do i want to make something in specific style or B - do i just wanna riff around and see what sounds good.
if A then proceed, if B then just do whatever i want.
2) pick a mode that fits that style.
3) come up with a hook or signature riff
4) make the rest of the song around that hook, usually i write in a verse chorus verse chorus style cuz i come from a punk band background.
as far as instruments and synths i will play around with different stuff. i use midi so i can plug in diff instruments to see how they sound.
for the variety question -- i fail at this. my music is usually pretty steady repition of what i hope is catchy hook. this comes from the punk band background i think.
under current terms i believe the content made using firefly is allowed for non-commercial uses, when i fiddled with it it applied a no commercial use watermark to my images (see the attatchment above)
i do think it is really cool that companies are paying attention to the debate and trying to do this in a way that doesn't violate anyone's rights.
i think in the future we will see more open datasets
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