I don't know what to tell you, hon. I have a copy of the unrevised text. Whatever you copied wasn't the original, nor the current iteration. This is the truth, but I doubt I can convince you of that. Bit hypocritical of you to accuse others of gaslighting.
"Let's say I am a 'sexist troll.' Does that magically mean people can tell me to commit suicide?"
Nope. But it does tell us what kind of person you are. Ragnar regrets what he said. You don't. I think you need to reread what I wrote. I was very clear about not excusing Ragnar's comment. Accepting an apology doesn't mean being ok with the sin that prompted it. I can criticize your behavior and not excuse his at the same time. There is no "angrier" about anyone's statement. This isn't a contest about who made the more offensive statement. It is about who is disturbing the peace on this site. You're the only one left that isn't ready to leave it alone.
I am happy to discuss any part of this and explain what I can to your satisfaction via PM with me. You can express your greivances there to your heart's content, and I will do my best to resolve any unfairness. You can even be as offensive as you want toward me and suffer no repercussions. However, the conversation will not continue here on this thread. It is off topic and not heading toward a resolution.
No. It didn't. Server logs retain the original message as first submitted. The original text did not contain the word "hero" anywhere. The original text is identical to the current text.
"I was told by Ragnar to commit suicide and he wasn't banned."
Nor were you... yet. The warning was for everyone. You'll note I explicitly singled his comment out in addtion to my other warning. Yes, that is bad. And he apologized. Apologies do count when they're sincere. It doesn't innoculate people from consequences for continued bad behavior, but they are taken into consideration. He also said "IF you are ... a sexist troll"; If you feel he told you to commit suicide, are you admitting to being a sexist troll? That doesn't excuse the langauge he used, but I also have yet to see any sort of attempt from you to find accord here. Are you looking for clarification about the challenge's parameters or are you looking for confrontation?
This thread was getting dangerously close to "flame war potential", but Ragnar has done a decent job de-escalating things to some degree.
@Ragnar: I wouldn't say gender/reproductive identity is a political topic, but it is often politicised. This puts this challenge in a position of riding the line on the "no politics" rule. Please continue to be careful with it. If it does devolve into political discussions or a hateful flame war, I will need to lock the topic. Inviting people to commit suicide is not a good direction. You did apologize and recognize that, so thank you.
@Zombietom: If Ragnar is guilty of lumping you in with an undesireable group, it seems you're guilty of the same thing. Ragnar did not call you sexist or troll. He politely drew attention back to the distinct absence of a gender-specific term. Yes, it is clear there was a misunderstanding about what you were saying, but what you were saying was not super clear to begin with. Try to extend the same courtesy of avoiding negative assumptions you're asking of others. And keep the language civil, even in a disagreement.
@Ephesians: I'm having a hard time faulting Ragnar's conclusions about your intent here. The only thing I can think of that would explain away the apparent sexism or trolling is Zombietom's semantic argument, but that doesn't really mesh with your second comment about confusion over the meaning of 'non-traditional interpretations'. The options I can see are: 1) you're being semantic, 2) you're confused about the terms, or 3) you're being sexist/troll. If you're being semantic, you can't really claim confusion, and vice versa. I don't buy that you're concerned about what qualifies your potential submissions for bonus points after Ragnar explicitly said points mean nothing. Find a way to ask for clarification without being confrontational. Hateful behavior (like sexism) and trolls get banned.
"how about some sort of community support forum for tirnanog in the future?"
If @MedicineStorm agrees to that, I'd be very happy to do it!
Starting out the best way to do that is simply start a thread like "TirNanoG support" in the OGA community Projects forum (or perhaps the Programming forum if you don't consider this a project for OGA).
Once the project has a full featured editor and player (as is the plan) and gains a bit more momentum, I'll look into adding a separate TirNanoG Project forum like we have for FLARE.
Thank you for your feedbacks! But is there anyone volunteering to redraw the icons...?
Good point. Apologies for pulling the thread off-topic. Further discussion of troubleshooting the TirNanoG engine or trademark weirdness should probably be done in a separate thread.
@Artists! Looking for a designer to give a consistent look'n'feel for the TirNanoG Editor's icons.
Yeah, that trademark is so stupid. I'm sure your usage of them would be perfectly fine (monichrome or otherwise), especially since the plan is to have playstation be one of the available platforms, correct? The difference is your usage probably falls within the "fair use" mentioned by that disclaimer, but our hosting it on OGA under a CC0 license doesn't pass muster.
Regardless, Ragnar's suggestion is also solid (A, B, X, and Y... which cannot be trademarked) and buttons for them can also be found in that same pack.
Don't forget to include a link to your engine in the request! Seeing what you've got will help attract more artists. :)
P.S: Based on the logo, I was reading the name as "Tirna Nog" instead of "Tir Nano G". I assume "nano" for its portability and G for Gnu Public License, but what is "tir"?
That is good to hear, and I am curious about the project. I would love to see more of what it is about when you're ready for me to see it.
That's interesting about the Borderlands quote. I interpreted it not as "music is pointless, just like revenge" but more like "music is powerful, and so is revenge" :)
Plenty of us can identify with your theme. It isn't a lack of understanding for what you're proposing. It's a lack of passion for a project we can't see. Like i said, most artists want to know their work will be put to good use. You haven't linked to any part of your project that shows this is different from the hundreds of other projects that said similar things but only wasted the artists time. YOU know this project isn't like that, but I don't.
I also understand having no funding for a passion project, but just change where Ragnar said "I want free stuff" to "I need stuff to be free". We know you're not greedy, but nothing else changes.
No one is saying "I don't want to participate". But I'm guessing no one is saying much else yet either because no one can tell enough about it. Allow me to demonstrate the point I'm making: I'm offering you (or anyone who reads this) a job. Right now. No joke, I'll hire any takers on the spot. Paying job. EEOC Certified compatible with multiple types of anxiety disorders. Do you accept my offer? It's difficult to believe there is anyone who doesn't want such a great job.
Sara was uploaded here in 2009: https://opengameart.org/content/sara-wizard
In the Land of Leadale wasn't serialized until 2010. It's more likely that Tenmaso was inspired by Mandy than the other way around. :P
@Camilo: Of course! See FAQ entry #1: https://opengameart.org/content/faq#q-how-to-credit
I don't know what to tell you, hon. I have a copy of the unrevised text. Whatever you copied wasn't the original, nor the current iteration. This is the truth, but I doubt I can convince you of that. Bit hypocritical of you to accuse others of gaslighting.
Nope. But it does tell us what kind of person you are. Ragnar regrets what he said. You don't. I think you need to reread what I wrote. I was very clear about not excusing Ragnar's comment. Accepting an apology doesn't mean being ok with the sin that prompted it. I can criticize your behavior and not excuse his at the same time. There is no "angrier" about anyone's statement. This isn't a contest about who made the more offensive statement. It is about who is disturbing the peace on this site. You're the only one left that isn't ready to leave it alone.
I am happy to discuss any part of this and explain what I can to your satisfaction via PM with me. You can express your greivances there to your heart's content, and I will do my best to resolve any unfairness. You can even be as offensive as you want toward me and suffer no repercussions. However, the conversation will not continue here on this thread. It is off topic and not heading toward a resolution.
@Ephesians:
No. It didn't. Server logs retain the original message as first submitted. The original text did not contain the word "hero" anywhere. The original text is identical to the current text.
Nor were you... yet. The warning was for everyone. You'll note I explicitly singled his comment out in addtion to my other warning. Yes, that is bad. And he apologized. Apologies do count when they're sincere. It doesn't innoculate people from consequences for continued bad behavior, but they are taken into consideration. He also said "IF you are ... a sexist troll"; If you feel he told you to commit suicide, are you admitting to being a sexist troll? That doesn't excuse the langauge he used, but I also have yet to see any sort of attempt from you to find accord here. Are you looking for clarification about the challenge's parameters or are you looking for confrontation?
This thread was getting dangerously close to "flame war potential", but Ragnar has done a decent job de-escalating things to some degree.
@Ragnar: I wouldn't say gender/reproductive identity is a political topic, but it is often politicised. This puts this challenge in a position of riding the line on the "no politics" rule. Please continue to be careful with it. If it does devolve into political discussions or a hateful flame war, I will need to lock the topic. Inviting people to commit suicide is not a good direction. You did apologize and recognize that, so thank you.
@Zombietom: If Ragnar is guilty of lumping you in with an undesireable group, it seems you're guilty of the same thing. Ragnar did not call you sexist or troll. He politely drew attention back to the distinct absence of a gender-specific term. Yes, it is clear there was a misunderstanding about what you were saying, but what you were saying was not super clear to begin with. Try to extend the same courtesy of avoiding negative assumptions you're asking of others. And keep the language civil, even in a disagreement.
@Ephesians: I'm having a hard time faulting Ragnar's conclusions about your intent here. The only thing I can think of that would explain away the apparent sexism or trolling is Zombietom's semantic argument, but that doesn't really mesh with your second comment about confusion over the meaning of 'non-traditional interpretations'. The options I can see are: 1) you're being semantic, 2) you're confused about the terms, or 3) you're being sexist/troll. If you're being semantic, you can't really claim confusion, and vice versa. I don't buy that you're concerned about what qualifies your potential submissions for bonus points after Ragnar explicitly said points mean nothing. Find a way to ask for clarification without being confrontational. Hateful behavior (like sexism) and trolls get banned.
Starting out the best way to do that is simply start a thread like "TirNanoG support" in the OGA community Projects forum (or perhaps the Programming forum if you don't consider this a project for OGA).
Once the project has a full featured editor and player (as is the plan) and gains a bit more momentum, I'll look into adding a separate TirNanoG Project forum like we have for FLARE.
Good point. Apologies for pulling the thread off-topic. Further discussion of troubleshooting the TirNanoG engine or trademark weirdness should probably be done in a separate thread.
@Artists! Looking for a designer to give a consistent look'n'feel for the TirNanoG Editor's icons.
Yeah, that trademark is so stupid. I'm sure your usage of them would be perfectly fine (monichrome or otherwise), especially since the plan is to have playstation be one of the available platforms, correct? The difference is your usage probably falls within the "fair use" mentioned by that disclaimer, but our hosting it on OGA under a CC0 license doesn't pass muster.
Regardless, Ragnar's suggestion is also solid (A, B, X, and Y... which cannot be trademarked) and buttons for them can also be found in that same pack.
Don't forget to include a link to your engine in the request! Seeing what you've got will help attract more artists. :)
P.S: Based on the logo, I was reading the name as "Tirna Nog" instead of "Tir Nano G". I assume "nano" for its portability and G for Gnu Public License, but what is "tir"?
That is good to hear, and I am curious about the project. I would love to see more of what it is about when you're ready for me to see it.
That's interesting about the Borderlands quote. I interpreted it not as "music is pointless, just like revenge" but more like "music is powerful, and so is revenge" :)
Plenty of us can identify with your theme. It isn't a lack of understanding for what you're proposing. It's a lack of passion for a project we can't see. Like i said, most artists want to know their work will be put to good use. You haven't linked to any part of your project that shows this is different from the hundreds of other projects that said similar things but only wasted the artists time. YOU know this project isn't like that, but I don't.
I also understand having no funding for a passion project, but just change where Ragnar said "I want free stuff" to "I need stuff to be free". We know you're not greedy, but nothing else changes.
No one is saying "I don't want to participate". But I'm guessing no one is saying much else yet either because no one can tell enough about it. Allow me to demonstrate the point I'm making: I'm offering you (or anyone who reads this) a job. Right now. No joke, I'll hire any takers on the spot. Paying job. EEOC Certified compatible with multiple types of anxiety disorders. Do you accept my offer? It's difficult to believe there is anyone who doesn't want such a great job.
Like a cover band playing "covers" of songs?
Or like album cover art?
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